Poor Disney!

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Everybody knows Cinderella etc., but what about the 'Jungle Book 2', or 'Treasure Planet', or another set of 2's, all going to video! Is Disney losing its touch?

Mickey Mouse needs a new job!
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Extremely yes!
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Yeah, coming to think of it.
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Suppose so.
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DON'T BAG THE NEW SET OF DISNEY 'CLASSICS'!!!!!!!
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Poor Disney!

Post by maitra » Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:12 pm

What do you think? I went to the movies and saw all this second rate Disney stuff. Even my younger sister said Treasure Planet wasnt good enough!

Note all those cheap '2' in front of the true, olden classics!

Are these new set of 'Disney Classics' worth our time? Has Disney now, in 2003, lost its sparkle?

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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by gkscotty » Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:14 pm

Disney's had pretty mixed films for quite a while now, IMO the last "classic" film they did would be The Lion King. (though I havn't seen Lilo and Stich, which is supposedly great) Treasure Planet looks bad enough, but I'm pretty horrified at the notion of a "Jungle Book 2"

But regardless, if Disney's lost their "sparkle," it's because they gave it to Square. :-P
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Jon » Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:47 pm

Actually, I've never been that much of a Disney-watcher (Really. Name a classic. Prob'ly haven't seen it). That's not to say that I don't like Disney movies...But I never get around to watching 'em.
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Hera_Potter » Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:07 pm

Looks like they're trying to squeeze all the novelty out of the old classics. That's really sad... they used to be about quality children's entertainment. Some of the new stuff (I think) is really good, like Lilo and Stitch, Toy Story 1 and 2, Mulan, etc.

Some of the sequels are really cheap, too. The animation in Pocahontas 2 was jerky, for example.

The sad thing (I think) about Jungle Book 2 is that they can't have the original voices. I imagine Louie Prima is dead by now, and I know Phil Harris is. And they have modern, popular music. Upbeat stuff. Forget the style of "Col. Hathi's March", the new style makes money! And that's what's most important! :P

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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Sheana_Molloy » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:12 pm

I've very mixed feelings about Disney. I loved them unconditionally when I was younger, and pulled my dad to the theater whenever a movie came out.

But Steve's right, the last true classic was 'The Lion King'. The odd movie like 'Hercules' has been alright, and 'Mulan' was pretty darn cool, but they really have lost their touch. One of the main problems is that they've gone uber-PC and re-written stuff for happy endings (Pocahantas and Hunchback, anyone?).

Really, they don't have much to them anymore. Ol' Walt would spin in his cryogenic chamber if he knew how evil his beloved company has become. The company's only saving grace is that apparently 'Lilo & Stitch' rocked, and that they've been working with other companies (like Pixar) to produce some mighty-fine stuff like both 'Toy Story's, 'A Bug's Life', and 'Monster's Inc.'. I have high hopes for 'Finding Nemo'.

I dunno what they were smoking when they made 'Treasure Planet', though. The animation and styling is cool, but they should've stuck to the original story.
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Post by gkscotty » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:15 pm

Sheana wrote: But Steve's right, the last true classic was 'The Lion King'. The odd movie like 'Hercules' has been alright, and 'Mulan' was pretty darn cool, but they really have lost their touch. One of the main problems is that they've gone uber-PC and re-written stuff for happy endings (Pocahantas and Hunchback, anyone?).
*cough* The Little Mermaid *cough* Hercules *cough*
Disney has always rewrote the stories. Aladdin was quite close to the source though.
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Archonix » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:42 pm

Treasure Planet, by all accounts, stuck pretty close to the original story. Of course I haven't seen it so I wouldn't know. :)
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Sheana_Molloy » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:52 pm

Well, yeah, I know they rewrite stuff all the time. :P I just mean that ones like 'Pocohantas' and 'Hunchback' have been the most blatant.
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by fellranger » Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:07 pm

I have to say I never really liked Disney stuff when I was a kid and the only interest I have now is in pointing out Walt's amusingly NAZI leanings......
Are Disney losing touch? I hope so.....
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by hadisia » Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:40 am

They're raping my childhood! I must have vengeance.
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by maitra » Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:31 am

oh no! your childhood... i loved the older disney stuff, i have to admit: Snow White, Mulan, Lion King

all i see today, haha, 2003 is; "quick, somebody!! tack a 2 on the end of something and call it a story!"

'that's creative thinking!'

Lion King 2
Jungle Book 2
Cinderella 2

Oh, in Cinderella 2, the Cinderella learns how to be a princess!

'amasing story' (if u can't tell, i'm being sarcastic)

let's not mention pocohontas to the new world!

i just hate all this modern disney, the sequels are just awful.

we were promised a happy ending!

Walt Disney should be turning in his grave ;D
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Bothead » Sun Apr 06, 2003 11:26 am

Has anyone noticed that Jungle Book 2 is probably one of the only Disney "classics" sequels to come out in cinema rather than straight-to-video? Does this mean it's gonna be good?

Anyway, Disney will probably be okay because of its computer-animated movies (Toy Story, Monsters Inc., A Bug's Life, and the one currently being made, Finding Nemo). But it's now having serious competition with Dreamworks (hilariously funny Shrek)

Disney better get off its ass and do something. Hmm, what story has Disney not done yet?
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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by c_nordlander » Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:20 pm

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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Archonix » Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:50 pm

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Re:Poor Disney!

Post by Karsten_Thiel » Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:52 pm

Medea.
"Disney's Medea"? Now that I'd love to see! ;D

How about the Nibelungenlied? Wouldn't that be a nice children's movie? ;)
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